Welcome Back And Key Themes

Ron 0:04

Hey my friends, welcome back to Peace Love Moto and to part two of my conversation with Matthew Robertson. In part one, Matthew took us along on his journey of spending over two decades leading expeditions around the world. We dug into what it really means to seek out adventure. Not just the thrill, but for the quiet, the unexpected moments that shake us awake. Matthew also opened up candidly about how the stillness of the natural world in motorcycling helped him find grounding and perspective just in time. We wrapped up with him sharing the profound impact of reaching out to help other people and why giving often ends up giving us back so much more than we ever gave. So today, this is our conclusion of this conversation. We're going to talk about this antidote for screen-filled isolation and the unspoken bond of the biker wave and why so many of us are pulling over, we're being still, and we're taking in the beauty that's all around us. So relax, take a deep breath, and listen to our conclusion of my conversation with Matthew Robertson.

Matthew Robertson 1:41

I think giving is so much more powerful than receiving. I know the feeling. Yeah, right. Okay. But it's kind of addictive too, you know, especially when people start giving you lovely messages and you're like, oh God, I really I just want to do the right thing. But it's not all, it's sometimes hard to do the right thing.

Why Giving Keeps Us Going

Ron 2:17

Yeah. That's that's exactly it. There have this is this will be episode 170 something. Going on four years of of doing this, I've not missed a week yet. But there have been many times where I've thought, I think I'm done. I I think I'm done. I'm I'm out of ideas, and I don't know who to talk to next. And then someone, someone will send me an email or they'll make a comment on Instagram that it what this episode, this word that was said by this interviewee or whoever was meaningful. I needed to hear that. And then I think, yeah, I gotta keep going. Gotta get yeah, it's just like finding you on Instagram. You know, I I don't have a whole lot of interviews planned. You know, there's a number of people I talk to in here and there, and there's there's there's a few I think, nah, this isn't gonna work. But you know, I'm so I'm so grateful for for people who let me know that it's meaningful for finding people like you to talk with and to to to share with on this on this broadcast. And yeah, it it it it does it does matter, you know, and you and I before we started recording, you and I were talking about where we are as a society these days because of these.

The Hidden Cost Of Screens

Ron 3:39

And I'm holding up my cell phone. And here it is. You know, I I I can't bash technology at all because that's how I found you. And that's how I do FaceTime with my mother and father who are in their 90s now, and and they embrace technology too, so we can do FaceTime together across, you know, a thousand miles apart. But it's a problem, right? It's a huge problem. This, the, this whether it's social media or the news or you know, just the whole the games or or whatever, through through our phones primarily, but it's turning into a massive problem for a lot of people too. I I heard, I heard a it's not a statistic, maybe it was an observation, that typically in large cities, I guess specifically, there would be at bars, there would be happy hour. So back in the day or whatever, people right after work would go and experience happy hour together uh after work to socialize and things, but that that that has dropped significantly because people are just going right back home and maybe connecting up with these days their chat bot or or just digging themselves in again, into the news or into social media or into games or or whatever else, and they're just finding themselves so isolated. But you and I, and so many others too, but we we know just like what you've described, that when you get yourself up and out there, there are mother nature is wonderful if you have that, if you have that capability to be able to get out into Mother Nature or whatever that looks like. But even but especially out on a motorcycle, just get yourself out into the air, get yourself out a little bit vulnerable, and stop at the coffee shop, talk to the barista, give a really good tip, and and have those little converse, those random conversations. Man, it it's just a totally different world from either being in front of your in front of your phone, just buried there, or worse, can't find yourself getting out of bed. If you can just, at least for me, if I can just find myself putting on my riding gear, putting on the helmet, get down the road, even before I've hit the trails, man, I'm feeling better.

Matthew Robertson 6:05

So let me ask you then. I mean, our technology, you know, I guess it's here to stay, isn't it? But you know, it's it's managing that. I think we've been fortunate enough to taste how good it feels to be in the wilderness. But I think people inherently are afraid of what they don't understand. Okay. So the wilderness can be a bit intimidating, even if it's raining. Like I live in the countryside in the UK and I live in my house and stuff, and there's a local pub, which is I can walk across a green to a field. But I'll get in my truck and I've got a roof tent on there, and I'll drive five minutes down the road to sit in the forest and sleep in the roof tent rather than stay in my house. And then I go to the pub and they're all looking at me like I'm some lunatic. You know, like, well, why would you not sleep in your what why would it's five minutes from your house? And I'm like, it's an amazing forest. Why don't you come by? Oh, well, I'd love to, but they never will, you know. God bless them. But you know, it's just I think it's one of those things where if you know, you know, and it's kind of amazing. But when, you know, there's you said the the sometimes these times when it's a struggle to get out of bed and things.

Community And The Biker Wave

Matthew Robertson 7:17

I wonder what that is. Because for me, when you know I have tricky days, I'm not sure I can really identify it. You know, I can't say, oh, do you know what it was? It was this, it was this one thing. It's like it's never one thing. I just think it's this I think there's a severe lack of community. I think, you know, you know, we used to be hunter-gatherers. It was very tribal. You know, we'd all sit around the fire, the men would go and hunt, and the women would do the their part, and the kids would do their part, and you know, we'd all sit around and talk and da-da-da. And I just think, wow. And I I experienced this. I went out to Bali in Indonesia and and I was riding dirt bikes up in the mountains in the jungle. And that was hot. Not sure I'd recommend that. I was melting. I can't stand it. But I met this amazing guy, and uh, and I was chatting away to him. He's what he's he was the guy that took me up there, and uh said, Look, could you just show me around Ubud, which is this really spiritual area in in Indonesia, and um in Bali, sorry, and um and he said, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we met and I you know I got changed and came out, and he was taking me around the village through the rice paddies, and it was just like, wow, it's everyone's so beautiful and so kind and so happy. And they live in these little communes, right? Um, these families, like these sort of, I wouldn't say brick walls, they're kind of wall, I guess they are kind of brick walls, but they're beautifully done. And inside there's probably maybe, depending on the family, six houses. But grandma will live here, my brother will live here, da-da-da will live here, and they all look after each other. But one of the amazing things that he said to me, he which goes back to this tribal sort of community fit thing, which I think is really important. Uh he was saying that so he said every month the kids will get together and we'll have a big community meeting, you know, and it's got a lot of people in this village, thousand, thousand people maybe, yeah. And we'll sit down, and one of the kids and the kids will always say, or say, what's bothering them? And then as a community, they all work to change that. Then the next month it will be the elders, and they'll say, Well, we're feeling we're all struggling to get to the river to wash our clothes, and then they'll all work to fix that problem. And then the mums and dads will all get together, and then they will fix the problem. And I thought, wow. I think it so for me, I think it's about being part of something, feeling that you matter, that it's important, somebody's got your back, somebody's gonna knock on the door, you know, and say, hi, are you okay? I haven't seen you in a couple of days, you know, or we haven't seen you around for a while. Do you want to come around for dinner, or do you just think, oh wow, people do care? And I think there's something tribal within motorcycles and that you feel you you are part of something. And you know, I don't know what how it works in the States, but in the UK, it you know, if you go past a motorcyclist, it's the nod.

Ron 10:23

It's like this is you know, holding up a piece of paper here because as you were talking, I wrote Biker Wave.

Matthew Robertson 10:30

We we are thinking the same thing, community, community, and it's feeling like I'm part of something. And I love feeling that, you know, like there's a big adventure festival in the UK for motorbikes, and everybody turns up from anything from Harleys to adventure bikes to everything, but it's very motorbike oriented. But they have music and beers, it's like a mini festival, you know. And it just you just see a lot of really, really happy people because there's this sense of belonging. So I think my understanding or my feeling is that technology, whilst great, is actually separating us. I mean, we actually don't even need to leave our house. You can have your groceries delivered to your door, your prescriptions to your door. You can even date on an app. So you don't even need to go out, you know. So I think our we're social things, uh, humans are social beings, you know. We need people, we need to interact. And I don't think we put enough emphasis on that. I think we live in a capitalistic society where we always believe we'll be happy tomorrow. I'll be happy when I've got more money, happy when I've got a bigger house, a better wife, a better boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever your thing is. But I think, you know, if you're searching perfe for perfection, it's going to be a pretty lonely life because I've only ever seen perfection in nature.

Burnout And Learning To Be Still

Matthew Robertson 11:52

Yeah. And that's always evolving. But I think, you know, we need to sort of be more content. But it's hard if you think the powers that be are always telling us we've got to be smarter. I heard a great thing from Robbie Robert Downey Jr. the other day. And I thought it was really profound because there's a man that's been an addict, had it all, lost it all, etc. And he seems a pretty grounded human. I don't know him, but he seems like a good man. And he said, We're never told in our lives it's okay to be still. We're never told in our lives we're okay just the way we are. I must be fatter, you know, fatter, thinner, smarter, better looking, whatever it is, you know. We're never, you know, we're we're not content with who we are. And and then we're if you have a tricky day or you're a bit tired, we don't take a nap, we don't slow down, we take coffee. Right? So we start slamming coffee because our bodies are exhausted. And then you're drinking coffee, see you're jacked. Then you go to the bar on the way home or the pub and have a pint, and pints obviously not conducive, the alcohol's not great for sleep. So you've now got caffeine and booze, and what you do, you try and sleep, toss and turn, and what do you do the next day? Exactly the same thing. So, you know, when people say they're burnt out or just exhausted or have depression from overwork, stress, etc. I have I'm not surprised. You know, I I I see it, you know. And when I have my company, I'd very much be somebody said, Oh, Matthew, I've got this thing with my kids like, go do it. As long, don't leave me holding a hot potato, you know. But as if you got it covered, take a couple of days. Don't worry about it. We gotcha. You know, and and I think that created our little micro fraternity within the business. So, long story short, I think technology obviously has its place, but I think we need to be very mindful to stay connected as human beings too, and finding your medium, whether that be, you know, I love Land Rover defenders and I travel all over the world in mine, and and and I love motorbikes and I travel all over the world in that. You know, and both of those are tribal defenders, the old defenders. You know, they have that same thing in the UK where you get the defender wave, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ron 14:17

They have the Jeep Wave here. I have a I have an old Jeep Wrangler in '97. Same thing. Same thing.

Matthew Robertson 14:24

Jeep wave. Well, I think the defender one's probably less illustrious because I think when people wave, somebody said, Well, why do you guys do that? Why do and the old defenders why do we do that? And I said, Well, I think there's two reasons. One, it's a mutual respect for how much money you've had to spend to keep the bloody thing going. And the other, the other is how much pain you're in driving it, because it's ultimately a farm vehicle. So you're like this, you know, and I just drove it all the way across Europe to Turkey and Eastern Europe and everywhere else. But I tell you what, you know, you get out of it and you're just like you know, everything's creaky and it's just like right. I'm not sure that that took about 10 years off my life, but it was it was bloody good. Yeah. So that and again, what I love about old defenders is they're visceral, you know, they're tangible. There's no electronic anything. You know, you've got the electronic, you know, you well, no, you haven't got anything like, you know, the stalks to turn the indicators, the lights you've got to work, the steering's sort of got a you know, half a mile of play in it, you know, and you're never quite sure if you're gonna get around the corner or stop. So it's the whole thing's just uh it's a comedy of errors, but they're they are great, but yeah.

Ron 15:35

And and you know, kind of back to the motorcycle thing, too. Isn't it a beautiful thing that the the biker wave? Well, we talked about a couple things. Well, well, one the biker wave, which is you know, just recognition of another rider coming your way, coming toward you. And then the other thing that you've already mentioned that too is that you you see a motorcyclist on the side of the road, you will check and make sure that they're okay.

Matthew Robertson 16:00

Every that's just I did that the other day, and there's this knowing smile like loveybody.

Ron 16:06

You know, you know, check exactly, and you you've hit on another piece of it too. I I think we throw around or throw around the the word love a lot, it's in the name of my podcast. But I think you've got to learn to love yourself, you gotta learn to love other people because the combination of those is gonna bring you back to the first word in the podcast, peace. This peace of mind that everybody's looking for. And and and I yeah, it's it's interesting with the vehicle that you're driving, with the motorcycle that you're riding. It just introduces these opportunities as opposed to a Tesla.

Matthew Robertson 16:46

Yeah, exactly.

Ron 16:49

But but I love it. I just love it that we are part of a it is the fraternity, you know.

Matthew Robertson 16:56

Yeah, it's a group of like-minded individuals that have a mutual passion for doing something different, for feeling, you know, the wind in your hair or you know, the bugs in your teeth, or whatever it is, you know, those cold days or the good days, the bad days, sometimes just riding is incredible. I spent when COVID happened, you know, over here it was pretty strict, and and I was a bit of a you know, wild child, if you like, and I would just get on my bike and I would just drive for like hours, and it was kind of like driving in the apocalypse. Nobody around, no cars, no people, and it was just kind of but that those moments really kept me sane, you know, they really kept my head, you know, peaceful, yeah, you know, calm. And and you know, I was hugely thankful that I had a bike at that point because otherwise I was just I would have done every walk there was around the area, and I was like, I gotta do something else. And then I thought, well, what are they gonna do? And even when a policeman went past me, it was just sort of almost like fair enough, you know, they knew what are they gonna do? You've got a helmet on, you're not breathing on anyone, you know, you're in the middle of you know Yeah, I think I think it's it's hard to explain to somebody that doesn't ride. It's like if if you don't surf and somebody tries to explain how it feels, it's like yeah, whatever, it's just dangerous and looks scary, and I I could never do that. And it's just like that's exactly the same thing people say about bikes. But I think, you know, I'm not saying they're gonna solve all your problems, but it certainly does add another string to your bow. Yeah, yeah.

Ron 18:45

My neighbor lives right next door, and she has introduced herself to motorcycling. Uh, I need to talk with her more and find out where this came from. But she's a young mom, it's a wonderful family, but she just had this desire to I maybe seeing motorcycles in my garage and watching me go out every day. I don't know. Maybe that has something to do with it. But I just so admire her that she went and took the rider course, which is not easy, especially for adults and riding kind of maybe for the very first time. But bless her heart. I I love seeing her every morning, this morning, hop on that bike, has all of her gear on to be safe, and go off. And she's happy. She's happy. She, you know, just this tremendous responsibility with having a child at home and a family and everything. But she recognized that, you know what? I need a little bit something for me. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

Matthew Robertson 19:51

Yeah, I completely agree. I think, you know, we don't give enough time to ourselves. And because if the machine breaks down, it all breaks down. So if you don't look after this, you know, everything else is going to crumble around you. So you, you know, our minds are very good at spinning us a yarn and keep doing the tricks that it does and overthinking and overanalyzing. And I I certainly do that. But I what I have felt now, a little trick that I use sometimes, is very much like if I'm thinking, oh god, this and this and this, and and then I it's like a rabbit hole. Okay. You put your head in the rabbit hole, and what's down there? Nothing. And what's also down there, darkness. And what happens is the deeper you go, the darker it gets. And so now I have this sort of thing where if I'm heading in that direction, I stop, I smile, and I sort of talk to myself. It's like, dude, you know what's in there. Well, that we're not going to go down there. This is just such a waste of time and so depressing. And it's just like, oh my God, I'm such an idiot. Yeah, right, done that, move on, go for a walk in the forest, get on the bike, you know, have a cold shower, whatever it is you'll which is your fix to sort of snap you out of, you know, whatever you're in. I think um, and I have my little things now which keep me on the straight and narrow. And bikes certainly is one of them. Yeah.

Travel, Europe, And Leaning In

Ron 21:12

So, so Matthew, as we kind of begin to wrap up, again, I want to. I'm so glad to have met you. I really am. By the way, so I'm I'm sure that you guys in in Europe hear this all the time, but we Americans have our so many of us have our ties back to uh to Europe. Me particularly, I have according to my family lineage thing, we have many, many relatives that have come from Cornwall. Cornwall's beautiful. Well, I was I was seeing on your website that you'd done some adventuring there with with with climbing, climbing the ridge, I believe it was. Oh, oh, and one other connection I found with you just two weeks ago, my wife and I were in Norway. Uh

Matthew Robertson 22:00

Yeah.

Ron 22:00

Sailing the fjords and such. And in fact, last week's episode was on that topic of what I observed there. And I actually, two weeks before that, I actually did a live recording. I was just so enthusiastic about the fjords. I went out at night in the rain and I just recorded what I was feeling. Anyway, all that being said, I don't know where I was going with that exactly, but yes, definitely visiting Norway was just this whole new appreciation of wow, this is beautiful. And we, you know, I'm a guide in Rocky Mountain National Park. I work part-time as a tour guide in in the national park. So I I know it. I know what it's like to take someone, many, many people, thousands of people now, into the national park and have them helpless and speechless and breathless, as James Taylor describes it. I know what that's like. But what I want to do, what I intend to do sooner than later, is to try to make some reconnections in Cornwall and then come there and motorcycle it. So I was just wondering, how close are you?

Matthew Robertson 23:03

Are you in the quite a way? Oh, well, I'm by the coast, but I'm if you to drive it from me would be a six-hour drive. It's it's a long way. Because I'm, you know, if you've got the boot, Cornwall's right at the toe, and I'm sort of just before the heel. Oh, well. The reason it takes so long is, you know, in Britain, we're not it's you know, there's not any motorways down that way. So it's great for motorbikes. Yeah. Because you can, you know, and you can also filter in the UK, which is legal. So you can get down there a lot. Well, you probably do it in four hours, depending on how far you're going. But Cornwall's pretty big. So it's you know, if you're over here doing it, I'll ride with you, my friend. I mean, it's an amazing, amazing place.

Ron 23:46

I would love to connect up with you for sure. You know, my wife and I have just retired this this year. So we have the motivation while our health is good, while we feel good, we're gonna do some things. And that that adventure that we had uh not only in Norway and reconnecting with our uh exchange student that we had 15 years ago, we reconnected with her. Now she's a young mom and the whole family and everything. We all uh my wife's 100% Swedish too. So we we took the train over to uh south of Stockholm to Ling Schöpen and connected up with her cousin down there, and then really did the locals thing down in Ling Schopen and then back up to Stockholm and stuff. So uh it was my first visit to Europe. I have a whole new appreciation for the the people, the food, everything we experienced, nature in Norway.

Matthew Robertson 24:40

Oh man, that was well the Nordic countries are incredible. I mean, it's a socialist, but they're generally very socialist, so they really look after people. You know, everything's clean, everything works, you know. I mean, they have huge sovereign wealth in Norway, especially. So it's just I think when a community feels like it's being looked after and not, you know, being raped across the coals, I think people are generally more content. And that's what I've found. And and bear in mind, Norway, you know, 80% of the year it's pretty awful weather, you know, rain, etc. But they just say, Yeah, but Matthew, this is how we live. This is, you know, we're waterproof. You know, I love that. You know, we're waterproof. Of course we are. So you just you navigate the weather, you know, and uh and I I mean I've had some of my I've ran a lot of um expeditions in Norway and and I'm a huge, huge fan, and Sweden and Denmark, you know, Finland too. All those countries are extraordinary. And you know, the rest of Europe, it's uh I what I love about living in Europe is or in the UK is that everything is so accessible. Like literally from my door, I could drive across the whole of Europe, I could go to all the Stans, Afghanistan, I could go into Russia, I could go, you know, all the way around the world, basically, from the you know, just from my front door without getting on a plane. It's it's quite remarkable. And I think within Europe as well, you've got so many different cultures, like from Greece to Turkey to Norway to France, you know, um, Sicily, you know, they all have their unique way of doing things. And it, you know, again, even if you don't like it, it's not that it's bad, it's just different. Yeah, and just and my biggest learning is just lean in. Lean in. Don't worry about it. Somehow it will work out. You know, somebody will come along. If somebody will be kind, you'll find a place to stay. And you always do. You always do. And I I think um, yeah, I I think it's a beautiful world out there, and I think I get so much from getting on the bike and just exploring and and meeting like-minded people. Food for the soul.

Ron 26:56

That's it, my friend. And and that has been the theme of so many interviews, and it's tried to be the theme of of all the commentaries that I put together. That it is a big, wonderful world out there. It's hard sometimes. It's hard. Health issues come up, financial issues come up, other stresses, family stresses, whatever come up. But just like what you're saying, if you go out and hug a tree, you know, just as simple as that. Plant yourself somewhere, you know, and and and watch uh watch a squirrel, watch a watch a little rabbit or whatever. Just give them time, give them some space, watch them, and you realize that oh man, it's it's beautiful out there. And and maybe one more thing too. Go out at night and look at the stars and realize that, man, I'm tiny. You know, I'm just here by some force of miracle that I'm standing on this planet that's flying through, flying through space, but I'm here and I'm breathing the air, and I've got a cup of coffee in my hand, and I'm looking up and wow, how did I deserve this?

Presence, Grief, And Desert Calm

Ron 28:06

This is pretty great.

Matthew Robertson 28:07

I mean, yeah, if we don't stop every once in a while and appreciate where we are and what we have, what the hell is the point? You know, so I think you know, when my late father passed away a few years ago now, and I was sitting with him in the garden, and he was a big outdoorsman, and he was he was not in a good place, and he was sitting there and I was looking at him, and it was like um a beautiful sort of cool day, but the sun, you know, blue sky, and there was a bit of a wind, right? And he just was smiling. And I looked at him, I said, Dad, what why what are you smiling at? You know, and he said, Just look. And he said, Look at the colours, look at the way the wind is moving the trees. And I just sort of stopped for a moment and I looked, and just the way the wind was blowing through the branches, that wonderful sound, and the way isn't it a miracle that you know a leaf can move and it's almost like it's sparkling with the sun hitting it. And uh, these are so simple, tiny things that we just take for granted, and we just forget how magical it is just to be still. And in that moment, I think he didn't, he I think he died later that day, but in that moment he it was euphoric for him because he was just like everything became so heightened. I think maybe he they he knew it was going, and but everything became so beautiful. And I I that's some a big learning for me is that wherever I am, but I take the time to just stop, put the phone down, don't listen to music, just be present. And on on that as well, which going quickly back to your technology thing question earlier, was a time when I was I drove down to the Sahara from my front door, went all the way down through Spain or across the through into Tangiers and then down into the Sahara, then crossed the Sahara. And I did this solo. And I was going across the Sahara and I came out and I was going into the High Atlas in Morocco, and I suddenly realized for like four or five days I hadn't listened to any music, hadn't listened to any books, hadn't spoken to anyone. I was just present, but I didn't want to listen to anything or talk to anyone. And I was sort of quite amazed because I'm bloody, you know, I'm sure I've got ADD, I'm not diagnosed with it, but you know, I'm usually like a million miles an hour, and I just couldn't believe I was just I was just astonished at myself, and uh and it was so incredible because I think it was the natural world that brought me back to zero or level. And it was just it was such a calming feeling because there's no adverts there, there's no TV, there's no junk food, it was just simple food. The Berbers would come you out, come out, and it was dates and you know, Chriscous and whatever else. And it was just wonderful. And I'll give you one other quick one on that note where I was driving down past Algeria through Tatangies, and I had heard about this place that had some like huts. And uh and I was you know a little bit nervous in the beginning of the trip because I didn't know where I was really going, and I just but I was so up for it. And I I pulled into these huts, and then this guy came out and he looked like something off Star Wars, you know, with the hooded thing like this, and the you know, gosh, the lines that had like been carved into his face, it looked like, you know, from the weather and the sand and everything, and his bright eyes, and it was like, wow. And I said, Oh, look, you know, I'm can I stay in one of these huts? And he's looking at me like right, okay, type of thing. He doesn't speak English, and his son comes out and he goes, Oh, yeah, I was born in staying. He goes, Oh, yes, my father says, Yes, fine, you can stay in the hut. But he's really worried. And I was like, Oh, what about? And he says, Where's your wife? Because they're very traditional there, you know, family and wife and everything. I said, Oh, look, I'm divorced. I don't I you know I no longer have a wife and uh I'm on my own. And he said that to his, and he is this guy looked legitimately concerned, like, but who's looking after you, type of thing? You know, he couldn't articulate it, but you know, and he was just like, he just looked really concerned. I was like, Liney, okay. So I went to this hut and I, you know, have my little jet boil in the room, and because I mean basically it's a mud hut, and I'm I'm cooking up some whatever noodles or whatever, and I hear this banging on the door, and and I open the door, and it's this guy, and I'm like, oh, hello. And he goes, No, no, no. You know, you don't eat alone. You break bread with my family. He doesn't know me. You know, I'm just this westerner that's come down and he wants me, invites me into his home to break breaking bread is basically have dinner. We talk and we look after you. And I felt nothing but kindness on my travels. And that was another moment that will stay with me forever that was just such a random act of wonderful kindness that made my heart sing. And then thereafter, the trip just got better and better because I just sort of became open to everything, you know. And yeah, so I do think community, journeying, appreciating nature and appreciating where we are and what we have, just being grateful is like a superpower. Yeah, you know, um, I'm having a good bike as well, that's nice. Well, several, as that seems to be our curse, doesn't it?

Future Rides And Final Takeaways

Ron 33:50

Man, I can't thank you enough for me for this visit. I've I've had this terror in my heart. Did did I hit the record button? I think I did.

Matthew Robertson 34:00

Well, it'll be a pleasure to do it again at some point, my friend. Don't you worry.

Ron 34:04

I hope we don't have to because it's been so so great, but I'll I'll find out in a minute. But my friend, thank you so much again for for being with the podcast. I'm gonna have your contact info, Instagram info, and so forth in the in the show notes. And you've done my heart a lot of good in this conversation. So thank you.

Matthew Robertson 34:23

Oh, well, that means a lot. I really appreciate that. Well, I'm coming to America next year. I'm trying, I'm actually shipping my Defender with a motorbike, and I'm driving across America and then going up into Canada and the tip of Alaska and then all the way back across the interior. So, one of the biggest places I want to play is the Midwest, Colorado, Wyoming, and definitely giving you a call. We're definitely gonna go on a ride and uh show me around.

Ron 34:48

Oh, fantastic! Oh, fantastic. I would be so honored to do that. That'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, I know the roots, I do, and brilliant.

Matthew Robertson 34:56

I look forward to that, my friend. Some of your videos, I'm just like, oh my god, I've got to go.

Ron 35:04

Thanks again, my friend. I appreciate it.

Matthew Robertson 35:06

Brilliant, absolute pleasure. See you soon.

Ron 35:12

And that's why I feel so honored to have the opportunity to meet great people all around the world and and just share hearts with each other. Yeah, we're like-minded, right? I mean, we're all motorcycle riders, but when you find out you just have the same heart in so many ways, oh man, that feels good. It makes our world feel a lot smaller. I want to thank Matthew for his generosity, his honesty, and for reminding us that gratitude and presence truly are superpowers. To be sure, uh, check the show notes for links to Matthew's website, his films, his social media channels, and so forth. You know, talking with Matthew really drove home something for me. It hits right on the heart of what this show's all about. Uh, peace love moto is is just about finding peace of mind, and and so many of us do find that from the seat of a motorcycle. And love, showing love for yourself by taking care of yourself both mentally and physically, but taking care of other people too. Expressing love however you can to others, even strangers. So until next time, take care of yourself. Let's take care of each other, and let's go for a ride. And why? Because it makes us happy. Peace and love to you all. Take care of the people.